The narrative does NOT follow chronologically; John is not writing a good story to please his editors, he is describing the timeless dimensions of the Kingdom of God. He 'saw' the beginning, middle, and end as it is revealed in Heaven. The Rev. JamieHansen wrt the short time, years is not a short time for humans, but in the context of eternity it is.
It seems the Church Fathers had a better understanding of the Revelation than most do today. Show 2 more comments. Emmitt Cooper Emmitt Cooper 47 3 3 bronze badges. There are many who would debate that Romans 12 is "clearly" end-times. Apocalyptic Language Revelation is largely apocalyptic language, specifically "dream-like apocalyptic" prophecy. The Man-Child In this, Revelation 12 is no different. Joshua Joshua 2, 5 5 gold badges 19 19 silver badges 42 42 bronze badges.
While I applaud your effort in introducing the Historicist Hermeneutic, it remains the most abused and maligned of all interpretive methods. Constantine can in no way imaginable be 'caught up' to the Throne of God', neither can any credence be given that he was 'birthed' by the church-it wasn't until later in his reign that he received the vision from heaven, and it is questionable whether he even was a Christian-though his mother, St. Helena certainly was, and used her influence to build and preserve many of the sites in Jerusalem.
Now, if you were to argue that Constantine was the rider of the white horse of the 1st Seal, I would have a more difficult time refuting this argument. Constantine did set in motion the means by which Christianity was carried around the world, and that was through the aegis of Western Government. As Western Governments expanded their influence, they brought Christianity with them. Even the US in , broke a promise to Phillipine guerillas who aided them, in order that the Phillipines might be "Christianized", in the words of Wm.
McKinley, President at that time. I do agree that the 'floods' were heresies, along with the constant persecutions the church faced up until Constantine. The church was "preserved" in the deserts wildernesses , where out of the limelight of public view the scriptures could be transcribed and the life of the gospel could be imitated.
All the major reformations up until the 14th century came from these 'monastic movements', which challenged Rome to live a simpler, holier life. Tau I'd encourage you to read the commentary I link at the end. At least the section on chapter As you said, this was only an introduction. There is much more to it being Constantine, including how the empire was divided into thirds at that time.
The celestial bodies, stars in this case, continue to be political powers, adding to the interpretation's consistency. That's my take. Nita Nita 1. Why couldn't John have 'seen' the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ in a vision? Welcome to Stack Exchange! If you haven't done so already, check out the site tour and read up on how this site is a little different than other sites around the web.
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Lesley Chow from The Quietus wrote,. The title character is a guy with a run-down car, a cheating girlfriend and no willpower, so it's not surprising that we get a hypnotic sense of draining away.
The strings have a repetitive, droning sound; they move gradually up or down a tone, so that the entire song seems to be slipping down a slope. A program of beats forms a continually revolving and reversing pattern, and the track feels as if it's shuffling or rotating by degrees the video ingeniously matched this idea of constant slippage by showing Cherry surrounded by tilting levels of water.
However, what's elating is the way that the song repeatedly threatens to lose its motor — and then regains it, by a whisker. All that downward movement should lead to a dead end, but just before momentum runs out, the vocal lifts to even out and stabilize the track. The lyrics are self-reflexive; the phrase "Turn around, ask yourself" is used as a pivot, a chance for the song to do a degree turn.
The video clip was produced by Jean-Baptiste Mondino. It shows Cherry on a virtual beach, while several other people can be seen in the background. Cherry's daughters, Naima and Tyson, and her step-son, Marlon Roudette , also appear in the video.
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I believe that is a topic everyone of you who read in Religion section has thought of it. Let me summarize my points spread throughout other threads. Manchild of the book of Apocalypse chapter 12 cannot be baby Jesus because Jesus grew up on earth and had a different life and mission, He was not taken up to God immediately, as Revelation 12 speaks of the Manchild. The text is written by John around year 90 AD, and found on earliest papyri not before year AD rather later in its entirety.
John does not describe some historic event of the birth of Lord Jesus, he describes instead a vision of the future, a future event to come. The woman so much speculated, cannot be simply "mother Mary" because Mary never ran in the desert alone. Those and other considerations come to tell us the Manchild is definitely an image of a personage s to come in the future, between now and the final End times.
What happens in that passage is acceptable as symbolising the essence of Christ's life; it is not necessary that every detail should be matched. We need to bring into this the "battle in heaven"; I believe this to be a symbol of the Cross, which is where Satan was really defeated "They overcame him with the blood of the Lamb", it says a little later. I understand her as representing God's people. Christ was born into God's people in the form of the Jewish community.
God's people in the form of the persecuted church was then exiled "into the desert". The whole chapter is a "flashback" episode with the purpose of explaining why Satan has a grudge against the church and wants to have it persecuted. The woman giving birth in contrast to the whore is the remnant of believers who have not whored themselves to the system. Aka the bride of Christ. See Ezekiel 16 as the connection between Israel the bride and her whoring ways.
The manchild comes at the death of the woman like Rachel dying in childbirth in the wilderness to birth Benjamin son of my right hand. See Galatians and "I labor in vain with you as a midwife until Christ is formed in you. Indeed, and see also Jeremiah ch4 vv, almost a direct source for both of them.
Apparently, many within the system are part of the whore, like it or not. New start is needed ASAP. New younger voices. I call them part of the , although I don't know who of them is exactly a member of that selected group by God and who is just a friend around them.
However what happened was not the desired goal. Mass rallies etc. The Church needs to listen to the youths about their view of God's words, not only to lecture them of things well known. Because the Church itself is in a dead end, and far not only for the sexual matters. Perhaps appointing a hundred new cardinals below the age of 25 would work better than walking year after year in a status quo proven to fail. There is the precedent in the Middle ages of appointing bishops and generals of orders even below the age of 18, some of them were holy others not.
The point here is not the age as a number but as a thinking. What we have today doesn't work. It is evident even to people who do not call themselves Catholics, much more to the devote Catholics who spent their entire lives inside the Church willing to contribute to God's kingdom.
The disillusionment cannot be greater. In the current mode, the Catholic church or any other wouldn't be around in only 50 years from now. Not only because of the smart phones but also because of that, the new E-culture that seems to erase everything holy. Change is needed NOW. I can't understand when priests start offering online new apps for mobile phones to pray to Jesus and Mary!
So the grandmothers should first buy the smart phone, then download the app and then pray? Sure they pray without anything of it. And the youngsters, they need a new language, a new style, not a new app! The Church s show it lacks understanding in first place, and new ideas in second place. Grace is here but grace is grossly misused by many. A good start is to allow Vatican masses online. And how many watch them? Check the counters of youtube. Someone in the Vatican should finally realize that policy is doomed to fail.
Hawking warning again of the AI society as the final error of humankind, should wake up those in position who just refuse to see where it goes. We need a new vigor start with new people, definitely much younger but also with new ideas, who will present the authentic face of God's love, not outdated paradigms of textbooks.
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